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Poster: c-freedom Date: Jan 4, 2019 5:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Hey Vermoontains, I will see your NRPS and raise you a KINGFISH

Kingfish - Full Concert - 02/07/76 - Winterland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45KCmltiWa4

New Orleans is HOT
Big Iron is another Marty Robbins tune.
Much talent in this line-up

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Poster: Vermoontains Date: Jan 5, 2019 9:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Vermoontains, I will see your NRPS and raise you a KINGFISH

Texas Red
We had the album and liked it. A nice mix of songs, a lil feat too. Bombs Away, not so much.

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Poster: Vermoontains Date: Jan 11, 2019 2:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Vermoontains, I will see your NRPS and raise you a KINGFISH

I just watched the Stagecoach movie from 1986 with Willie and all of the Highwaymen and some others and the music was an instrumental Big Iron throughout.


Stage to Lordsburg

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Poster: gmcgill Date: Jan 6, 2019 7:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Vermoontains, I will see your NRPS and raise you a KINGFISH

I think when I saw Weir opening for Willie Nelson at Panther Hall in Fort Worth, Texas, it was actually Weir with Kingfish. Would have been 1975 or 1976.

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Poster: Vermoontains Date: Jan 5, 2019 4:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: I fold

Keith and Donna - Full Concert - 10/04/75

Here is some Keith and Donna for you, the same show, as another Kiingfisher

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY9Omme6xeA

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Poster: c-freedom Date: Jan 5, 2019 5:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I fold

But you got Aces back to back.

It strikes me that Keith must have been reluctant to sing but he actually has a decent voice to my knowledge the only Dead tune he sang on is LET ME SING YOUR BLUES AWAY.
As for Donna just love it when she sings laid back and mellow tunes.
Always called the Stranger "Strange Man' to distinguish it from the Pig Pen tune Two Souls.
Donna had me at hello and Thank You!
Garcia had both Keith and Donna under his wing for a long time with JGB.

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Poster: Vermoontains Date: Jan 5, 2019 5:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I fold

Grab that heifer by the end of the tail
Get out the bucket and bail, bail, bail

He sings quite a bit hear

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Poster: c-freedom Date: Jan 5, 2019 6:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I fold

Yeah, my favorite is his version of Dylan's TRAIN TO CRY.
I don't think he ever sang with JGB either?

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Poster: jgmf Date: Jan 6, 2019 9:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I fold

He definitely did some harmony singing with JGB, but never any lead.

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Poster: Reade Date: Jan 5, 2019 9:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Vermoontains, I will see your NRPS and raise you a KINGFISH

Had no idea the band was up and running with a record contract prior to Weir joining. And that Tolbert left NRPS for Kingfish. Always thought this was an ensemble Weir threw together for something to do over the hiatus. According to the 'liner notes' apparently so did lots of other people, to the dismay of the founding members. RIP Hoddinott and Tolbert.

Tolbert's finest song, with the inimitable Nicky Hopkins on piano:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB7CfxMWsEs

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jan 8, 2019 11:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Vermoontains, I will see your NRPS and raise you a KINGFISH

This is one my favorite Torbert songs https://youtu.be/mAuh6HjiiaM

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Poster: c-freedom Date: Jan 12, 2019 5:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Vermoontains, I will see your NRPS and raise you a KINGFISH

Mellow.

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Poster: jgmf Date: Jan 5, 2019 1:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Vermoontains, I will see your NRPS and raise you a KINGFISH

I don't think KF had a record contract before Weir got involved.

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Poster: Reade Date: Jan 7, 2019 6:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Vermoontains, I will see your NRPS and raise you a KINGFISH

You're correct. Don't know how I screwed that up. They were up and running as a band tho, prior to Weir, which is still such a surprise to me.
Seems they were a popular 'club act' that made the jump to halls like Winterland and the Capitol Theatre with the juice adding Weir to the lineup brought.
With hindsight being twenty-twenty all the time, I have to wonder how they thought that was sustainable however. They're clearly playing their club act set-list at the shows on YouTube, and my question would be did they really see themselves penning enough quality new material over time to be a 'concert band' that toured and put out albums?

I'd love the skinny on Tolbert leaving NRPS for Kingfish. What was that about?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 7, 2019 11:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Vermoontains, I will see your NRPS and raise you a KINGFISH

Not any real help here, but in the Bay Area, we defn weren't really aware of Kingfish til BW joined. In March of 75, I saw them in a bar in the East Bay suburbs of Walnut Creek, which held 100 people tops? Bob is playing then. Amazing. Then, that summer, when they play at the Bob Fried Boogie (ie, K&D band, Kingfish, JGB, then the DEAD at midnight) they are "bigger time" of course (Winterland). 76 they really hit their stride, those shows in LA at the Roxy in March were widely available on tape, and they make one album from them if I recall (but leave "off" the best Bobby songs!?...hmmm, you'd think I'd be okay w that at first, eh? har, har...).

But. they really were the "same" as you note; in effect, they were the "upgrade" of my HS buddies that were in the DEAD coverband (they in fact did a number of KF tunes too!). A "big time" garage rock band so to speak.

High Flow and JOTS will recall the Concord Pavilion where KF played a time or two w the rest of the hiatus bands (JGB & KD) in late 75/76.

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Jan 11, 2019 11:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Vermoontains, I will see your NRPS and raise you a KINGFISH

maybe he left because he was pissed that they kept calling him Tolbert when his name was Torbert...... ;) :)

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Poster: Reade Date: Jan 12, 2019 8:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Vermoontains, I will see your NRPS and raise you a KINGFISH

That probably had a lot to do with it, no question. Plus I wonder if there wasn't head-butting around whose songs got included on albums.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 12, 2019 9:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Vermoontains, I will see your NRPS and raise you a KINGFISH

You guys posting prompted some wiki research on my part: I think I read at one point that the exclusion of BW tunes on the live album was in part to "go on w/out him" since that was the yr, 76, the DEAD start back up full time...a marketing move by the suits? Unsuccessful, we'd conclude?

Not sure.

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Poster: Reade Date: Jan 12, 2019 9:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Vermoontains, I will see your NRPS and raise you a KINGFISH

Wow. Not just the exclusion of tunes he penned -according to Wikipedia- but the elimination of every track they could containing his singing and playing on the tunes that were featured. Wow. Never head of that! Clearly looking to forge an identity moving forward without BW.
The bet at that point seems like it had to have been on Torberts songwriting potential but again I'd question if he had ever been prolific enough with that to justify his fronting a concert band that toured and recorded regularly.

As for Torbert leaving NRPS in the first place, the conflicting information out there doesn't help, along of course with his having left us so long ago. The NRPS website has Torbert bolting in '74 to form Kingfish, but '73 is cited other places as the band's birthdate. The site also suggests it was all about musical direction (that he wanted to go more 'rock' and away from 'country'), which very likely to my mind is code for dissatisfaction that more of his tunes were getting included on Riders albums.

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Poster: Vermoontains Date: Jan 5, 2019 10:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Vermoontains, I will see your NRPS and raise you a KINGFISH

Powerglide was another good album and this is a great song I saw this video and I had not thought of NRPS in Europe at the Beat Club Germany in May 72.I guess they came as the Dead left.
Torbert and Marmaduke had very pleasing voices, A short set but nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZWw87UgrwI

Ps Enough of each, to last a year...
I remember the Groucho line
"You call this a party? The beer's warm the girls are cold and I am hot under the collar."

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Poster: Reade Date: Jan 5, 2019 10:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Vermoontains, I will see your NRPS and raise you a KINGFISH

I believe -tho am not certain- they accompanied the Dead to Europe and opened some of those shows. The pedal steel Jerry plays some on (i.e. Looks Like Rain), early in April, would have to have been brought along as part of the Riders' gear. And if you've ever seen that Anthem to Beauty documentary there's NRPS guys shown in the 'home movies,' riding on the bus trips across the European countryside. Apparently they stayed on over there a bit longer- I'd guess an invitation to do a TV show was probably difficult to pass up for a band looking to develop a following.

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Poster: Vermoontains Date: Jan 5, 2019 11:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Vermoontains, I will see your NRPS and raise you a KINGFISH

I never knew that and I have not seen the doc. I will look for it.
I wonder where they went to after this set, an hour away.
Shocking story about Torbert's mike and the guy electrocuted weeks before from another band. They laugh it off.

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Poster: Reade Date: Jan 5, 2019 3:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Vermoontains, I will see your NRPS and raise you a KINGFISH

Gotta see it. A teaser:
https://qello.com/concert/Classic-Albums-Anthem-To-Beauty--2477

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Poster: Vermoontains Date: Jan 5, 2019 3:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Vermoontains, I will see your NRPS and raise you a KINGFISH

Thank you